10 January 2012

The Kite Runner (3rd Q Lit Circle)

Please use this thread for all blog posts relating to the 3rd quarter lit circle reading of The Kite Runner. Posters in this group are: Erica, Code, Claire, Michelle, Alison, Reena, Alex, Brittany, and Mackenzie.

Happy Reading!

29 comments:

Claire Tracy said...

So far in the novel, Amir seems kind of like a jerk to me. Hassan has no trouble defending Amir to Assef when he's about to punch him, and Hassan clearly praises Amir for his writing talents. Amir seems a little snobby to me, always thinking of Hassan as a Hazara or his servant, though he's coming around to the idea of him being a friend despite their ethnical and religious differences. I guess I'm anticipating how Hassan and Amir's relationship will turn out; whether they become closer, or let these silly differences come between them.

Erica said...

I personally feel that Amir and Hassan's relationship is based around the culture they've been raised in. I don't think Amir is trying to be a jerk, he just doesn't know any better. I understand why you see him as a snob though ,Claire, because to us equality is just a given, but in certain parts of the world societies revolve around segregation of religion/race. If we really think about it, our country had the same problem up until the 1960s, but we can discuss that more on Friday. I'm also really interested in how the relationship between the two boys spans out, I think it would be a nice twist in the story if Hassan rebelled or something but I really doubt that'll happen.

Mackenzie said...

I agree with Erica. I think that Amir and Hassan's relationship is due to their culture and religion, but it would be hard for us to exactly understand it. Something is going to happen soon that dramatically changes their friendship based on the foreshadowing in the first chapter.

Reena said...

Mackenzie, I completly agree with what you said about their relationship being impacted by culture and religion. As the audience it is crucial to understand that the story took place in a different society and country which we arent exposed to very often. They characters had different values and morals which we may have trouble understanding

Michelle A. said...

I found chapters 4 and 5 to be particularly interesting, given that they added a little bit more depth to the characters.

Both chapters explored change. Change in the author's personal relationship with Hassan, and in the political influence on society. You can tell that Amir, as the adult narrator, is starting to see what he didn't when he was a little kid. To put it short, he was really competitive and often belittled his friend. Now you can tell that he's feeling guilty through his tone in the text.

Perhaps these themes will appear again as we read. I'm liking what I'm reading so far.

Claire Tracy said...

HOLY CHAPTER 7. YIKES. This book went from a happy enjoyable read to disturbing... I'm a little scared. This exactly shows what Kenzie and Reena were talking about, that something awful was going to happen to mess up Amir and Hassan's friendship. I saw something like that coming, but didn't expect this! I think Amir could have done a WAY better job at preventing this, he just stood there and watched, which must have been both traumatizing and embarrasing for Hassan, knowing his best friend was watching this happen to him. Hassan would have never done that to Amir. This shows a lot about their character differences, and the obvious character flaws in Amir.

Mackenzie said...

I was waiting for everyone to finally get to chapter 7! I read ahead this weekend (by 200 pages haha), and can't wait to discuss this part tomorrow in class! I thought that when Ali and Hassan left their house, was so sad as well. Later events in the book make this even more dejecting. The fact that Baba, a large and strong man, cried is a very sad image in my head. Amir had never seen his father "weak" before. My group read to the end of chapter 13 so if the other group didn't, stop reading here; when Baba asked the General if Amir could marry Soraya, I felt that was the most heartwarming scene of the book, next to when Baba got the surgery for Hassan. I envisioned as Amir never being happier before.

Erica said...

Yeah chapter 7, what a plot twist! I mean who would have thought a kid at 12 years of age would already be that sick in the head to rape another kid. I mean the worst thing I thought would happen was Hassan getting pummeled. Assif's a jerk but so is Amir for that matter. I mean how cowardly is it to sit and watch your friend abused like that and run away?! I mean I would have been scared but at the same time I would have stood up for my friend no matter what. I'm curious to see how this situation is going to effect him later on in the book...

Reena said...

Chapter 7 was definatly an interesting chapter! So unexpected that Amir didn't stick up for Hassan because although in the previous chapters he says he didnt consider Hassan and him "friends" I thought his talk with Baba would have impacted him in some way. The conversation between Amir and Baba that I am talking about is when Baba tells Amir how he and Hassan have a special bond because they feed from the same breast when they were small. And since Amir's always trying to please Baba, shouldnt he have said something to Assef because he knows Baba cares for and would never want that to happen to Hassan. For a kid to witness something like that is very serious and will definatly stay with Amir all his life.

Michelle A. said...

Haha, of course I was going to sign on and see everyone's shocked reactions to chapter 7... so I'll pitch in my two cents.

I agree with you, Reena, about how Amir dismissed Baba's words so quickly as Hassan was in danger. Maybe it was his underlying want to please Baba that contributed to Amir's freeze-up in the alleyway. So much happened all at once, it appears that maybe he was only thinking about Baba's words and the fear that he will become angry (and think Amir or Hassan are dishonorable) than want to openly discuss the situation and help his friend.

Poor kid.

Alex Gray said...

Kenzie and Reena, like Claire said, you were right that something bad was going to happen to mess up their friendship! I was not expecting this though! That must have been a very difficult situation. It obviously was not the right decision to do nothing, but at the same time, I don’t think I would know what to do as a 12 year old kid either.

Brittany said...

This book is very similar to almost every other book in the sense that there is always a dominate person and a follower in every relationship. Amir will be the one to get Hassan in life threatening trouble.

Alice Dunaway said...

I think that Amir and Hassan's relationship is a pretty interesting one. I think that most of the conflict comes from the culture and Amir's daddy issues and desire to please Baba so much. I also really do agree with Brittany that there is a leader and follower in every relationship which is very clear here.

Alice Dunaway said...

Is the blatant foreshadowing in the novel kind of annoying anyone else? I think it might just be my personal preference, but I went into chapter 7 just KNOWING that something terrible was going to happen. Personally, I thought that it would have been better if the author would't have done it.

Anyway, I think the scene in chapter 7 is going to have some serious repercussions. It's a serious act that will hold a great deal of great deal of cultural and emotional repercussions.

Claire Tracy said...

Okay, so after reading through chapter 18 my brain is kind of overwhelmed. That was a lot lot lot of information in 6 chapters! If I had to focus on one part of those 6 chapters it would be (DONT READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THROUGH 18) how sad it is that Hassan is dead. I always kind of figured that Hassan and Amir would be able to meet again and repair what was lost. It was especially sad how in the letter Hassan wrote to Amir, he said that if Amir were ever to return to Pakistan, that he would be waiting, as a loyal friend. This serves as a forgiveness for Amir I believe, or atleast I made myself think that, haha. It's still a sad situation though.

Michelle A. said...

O, Lawdy Lawd Lawd. Claire, I'm totally with you...

Those were the most heart-wrenching, tear-jerking chapters I have -EVER- read. I can't put this book down!

Anyway, let's explore one theme that keeps powering through the novel - change. (I might've already mentioned this theme earlier in the blog or in last week's lit circle...) But it is becoming more prevalent, especially in Amir's personal life. Change comes with love, death, failure, disappointment, marriage, etc. But I think in addition to change, another theme appears - one's past creating opportunities for redemption in the future.

What does everyone else think about themes in the novel? Our essays are due in two weeks... *Shudder*

Reena said...

I agree Clair and Michelle! Those chapters are so inspirational and I feel everything Hassan says is so beautifully thought out and life-changing. I feel like Hassan's death symbolizes the fact the Amir had so many chances to rekindle their relationship and he never really took of advantage of that and so Amir lost the chance to embrace that friendship. I've finished the book already, so I'm not going to say anymore cause I dont want to ruin it for you guys!

Mackenzie said...

Totally agree with Claire and Michelle!! Change is definetly a big theme in this book. Hassan dying really changes the story for me. I was hoping that by the last chapter, Hassan and Amir would rekindle their friendship. So when I read this I was quite disappointed but I read ahead and it definetly gets better!

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Alex Gray said...

No surprise, I also agree with Claire and Michelle! It is so sad that Hassan is dead. I also thought that the two would semi fix their relationship. Obviously, there is no hope for that now.

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Michelle A. said...

Hey, Kite Runner readers! I told my lit circle group I would post some prompts for the book on the blog for everyone to see. Our papers are due pretty soon, so I figured this would really help.

I found a few prompts that would do well with this book, so here they are! Happy reading and don't be afraid to ask for any help while writing your papers.

1972. In retrospect, the reader often discovers that the first chapter of a novel or the opening scene of a drama introduces some of the major themes of the work. Write an essay about the opening scene of a drama or the first chapter of a novel in which you explain how it functions in this way.

- (1988) Choose a distinguished novel or play in which some of the most significant events are mental or psychological; for example, awakenings, discoveries, changes in consciousness. In a well-organized essay, describe how the author manages to give these internal events the sense of excitement, suspense, and climax usually associated with external action. Do not merely summarize the plot.

- (2006) Many writers use a country setting to establish values within a work of literature. For example, the country may be a place of virtue and peace or one of primitivism and ignorance. Choose a novel or play in which such a setting plays a significant role. Then write an essay in which you analyze how the country setting functions in the work as a whole.

- (2006) In many works of literature, a physical journey - the literal movement from one place to another - plays a central role. Choose a novel, play, or epic poem in which a physical journey is an important element and discuss how the journey adds to the meaning of the work as a whole. Avoid plot summary.

- (2007) In many works of literature, past events can affect, positively or negatively, the present activities, attitudes, or values of a character. Choose a novel or play in which a character must contend with some aspect of the past, either personal or societal. Then write an essay in which you show how the character's relationship to the past contributes to the meaning of the work as a whole.

- (2010) "You can leave home all you want but home will never leave you." -- Sonsyrea Tate
Sonsyrea Tate's statement suggests that "home" may be conceived of a dwelling, a place, or a state of mind. It may have positive or negative associations, but in either case, it may have a considerable influence on an individual. Choose a novel or play in which a central character leaves home, yet finds that home remains significant. Write a well-developed essay in which you analyze the importance of "home" to this character and the reasons for its continuing influence. Explain how the character's idea of home illuminates the larger meaning of the work. Do not merely summarize the plot.

Note: Mrs. Linneman, this totes counts for my week 4 lit circle blog post! :)

Mackenzie said...

Michelle, thanks for posting relevant essay topics! It really helps! :) As for the ending of the book, I personally thought it was a little boring in comparison to the rest of the book. I feel like almost every chapter held something that really added surprise, suspense, or essential information that kept the book moving. The end was just dull, but I think it fit. There wasn't really any other way to end it appropriately after finding out Hassan had died. It leaves you guessing that Amir is gaining back what he had lost, and he is not being held down by his guilt. All in all, this was probably the first book in the past 3 years of high school that I read for school that I actually loved! I am recommending it to my mom and a few of my friends cause I thought it was so good.

Claire Tracy said...

Yes, thank you Michelle! & I totally agree with you Kenzie. After finishing the book I was dissappointed; both because it was over and because it ended kind of dully. The ending chapters were also disturbing to me, with what the Taliban had been doing to Sohrab and how he reacted in the bathtub to the news that he might have to go back to the orphanage (which thank goodnes he didn't!) I was really excited when Sohrab was able to go live with Amir and his wife, it's a much better start for his life than living in Afghanistan. I also thought that it was nice how, even though Hassan had died, it was as if he was there with Sohrab and Amir in the end when they were flying kites. Amir will also always see his best friend and brother in his new son Sohrab. <3

Reena said...

Omg thank you Michelle! Claire, I agree with the fact that the last few chapters were disturbing. But I thought how the author tied in Assef and the slingshot trick with Sohrab was so wonderfully written! So many years back when Hassan was a child he used the same slingshot trick to threathen Assef but obviously Assef hurt Hassan first (rape scene...). And then all those years later Sohrab is able to use the trick on Assef to get revenge on him for all that he had done. This also shows how similar Sohrab and Hassan were. And as for Amir, well I was kind of disappointed in his character. Although he find Sohrab and do all of that I really wanted him and Hassan to rekindle their relationship. Hope everyone enjoyed the book as much as I did!

Erica said...

Okay so I completely forgot to post last week so here are my thoughts on our reading from last week. I feel that parts of it were kind of expected. I knew that Amir was going to have to go back to his homeland at some point, I mean there's no other way for him to get true closure. What really threw me off was the fact that Hassan is actually his half brother! I feel so bad for Hassan. He was completely cheated from a life that would have changed his future completely. The fact that he had to die was also extremely painful for me to read. Hassan is one of those characters that you immediately fall in love with and the fact that he had to die just truly bugs me.

Erica said...

Now here's my comment for this week. This book has taught me a lot about what I do and don't like to read. I have officially decided that I like to read completely fictional novels that don't apply to historical events. I get way too attached to characters like Amir and Hassan and Hassan's son (I'm blanking on his name). It makes it extremely hard to read when you become emotionally attached to characters, but when you realize that there is someone in the world that has probably suffered a life similar to the ones depicted in the novel...I don't even know how to comprehend it, it's just devastating. I'm not saying that this book was bad it was wonderfully written and completely riveting, I just don't think I'd ever be able to read it again.

Alex Gray said...

I also thank you Michelle! That is very helpful! I did not like the book as much as other people did… but I can see why they enjoyed it. It would have been terrible if Sohrab had to go back to the orphanage though. I'm very glad that he didn't. I agree with Claire, I liked how they flew kites in the end. I love when scenes tie in with the title. Haha

Alice Dunaway said...

While I enjoyed the book, I kind of felt like I knew what was going to happen all along.
Amir was going to keep dwelling on all of his issues until he CONFRONTED HIS PAST (the thing I've kept saying during lit circles) and it took his visit back home to realize that he truly was a tourist in his own country as people called it.
When Amir manned up and went to find Sohrab and had the final confrontation with Assef, he finally put all of his issues behind him and subconsciously figured out how he was going to move forward with his life.
However, while Amir is redeemed the progress of the novel still isn't complete since Sohrab has tons of loose ends that have yet to be tied up. The ending really isn't happy, but I know there is a sequel. Perhaps the author ties them up there?